to obama, but i think among the sliver of people who, you know, probably voted for obama four years ago and are not sure now, i think this could help. >> how many do you think there are? >> standing next to chris christie helps. >> -- in cincinnati or waukesha, wisconsin -- >> it helps with the media though. it helps with our point of view. let me ask you, everybody goes by the polls and they tend to be 47/47 which means six people haven't made up their mind. i'm asking you as a pro. aren't there a lot of people who are more like the group you described, voted for obama once, worried about him this time, may go with the other guy if he has a good night. can they come back from the first debate saying i'm back where i was? how many of them are there potentially? >> i think there are some out there. but the question is how many of them have early voted? the proliferation of early voting, there were some voting after the first debate, between the second and third debate. i think there are some of those who are not sure and have been looking for a sign. if you haven't voted sort of righ